Hot Sauce
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Post by Hot Sauce on Aug 18, 2024 23:45:32 GMT 1
I was lurking, so felt compelled to comment given I love this band. thefreewheeler.proboards.com/thread/28112/black-crowes-happinessMy view hasn't changed now that I have dug into it. Some good stuff, but a paint by numbers sell out album from them for the most part. It's a copy and paste album unfortunately. Nothing remotely inspiring or creative. Even Wanting And Waiting is a rewrite of Jealous Again. I give far more credit to albums like Three Snakes, Lions and Warpaint. It is overproduced as well in a generic please the masses sounding way. George Drakoulias should have produced this. Maybe he wasn't on board for Chris, Rich and a bunch of scabs outside of Sven Pipien, since the brothers fucked over Gorman and others. Even a band like AC/DC who makes the same album over and over again made something more inspiring and surprisingly great with PWR/UP over this Black Crowes album. Disappointing big time for me. This is not their version of Hackneyed Diamonds either in terms of a comeback album. The Rolling Stones killed it. The Robinson Brothers however became everything they hate on their new album if you know ANYTHING about them, their viewpoints or their history.
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Post by Aristocrat on Aug 19, 2024 0:54:52 GMT 1
The best Aerosmith album since the 70s is called Pump. I would also accept Perm Vacay as an alternate answer. How old was I when Pump was released? 15?
Even at that age, I was sophisticated enough to know it was shit.
I'm blessed.
The Nobleman
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Post by Aristocrat on Aug 19, 2024 0:55:43 GMT 1
I was lurking, so felt compelled to comment given I love this band. thefreewheeler.proboards.com/thread/28112/black-crowes-happinessMy view hasn't changed now that I have dug into it. Some good stuff, but a paint by numbers sell out album from them for the most part. It's a copy and paste album unfortunately. Nothing remotely inspiring or creative. Even Wanting And Waiting is a rewrite of Jealous Again. I give far more credit to albums like Three Snakes, Lions and Warpaint. It is overproduced as well in a generic please the masses sounding way. George Drakoulias should have produced this. Maybe he wasn't on board for Chris, Rich and a bunch of scabs outside of Sven Pipien, since the brothers fucked over Gorman and others. Even a band like AC/DC who makes the same album over and over again made something more inspiring and surprisingly great with PWR/UP over this Black Crowes album. Disappointing big time for me. This is not their version of Hackneyed Diamonds either in terms of a comeback album. The Rolling Stones killed it. The Robinson Brothers however became everything they hate on their new album if you know ANYTHING about them, their viewpoints or their history. Hi.
Did you see what I wrote in the other thread about your fake fat wife?
The Nobleman
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cowpins
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Post by cowpins on Aug 19, 2024 0:59:23 GMT 1
It's grown on me, and I love Flesh Wound, as I can relate to the lyrics. I saw them a few months ago and damn can they still bring it. Chris is at the top of his game.
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Post by *ech* on Aug 19, 2024 1:18:56 GMT 1
I think it sounds great. Yes, it's derivative but everything about them is derivative. There is a swing to the songs, a "rock n' roll" feel to them, that very few bands manage to capture. A bunch of cool riffs, a great voice... The inner politics don't interest me all that much... I thought it was a very well-made rock n' roll record. In this day and age, it's all you can ask of a band that's thirty-plus years removed from their debut.
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Hot Sauce
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Post by Hot Sauce on Aug 19, 2024 1:46:02 GMT 1
I think it sounds great. Yes, it's derivative but everything about them is derivative. There is a swing to the songs, a "rock n' roll" feel to them, that very few bands manage to capture. A bunch of cool riffs, a great voice... The inner politics don't interest me all that much... I thought it was a very well-made rock n' roll record. In this day and age, it's all you can ask of a band that's thirty-plus years removed from their debut. If you dig it, cool, I just think that had the band remained intact with Ford, Gorman, etc - they would have released a FAR better record than this. It is way too safe, generic and like I said, the epitome of everything Chris and Rich hate. They sold out, but maybe that is the point - more casual fans will eat it up. Especially those who bailed on the band years ago because they wanted the band to make Shake Your Money Maker over and over and over. Even on their previous comeback attempt album with By Your Side, Chris and Rich weren't completely on board with it, but were kind of out of moves at that point. The Rich Robinson band The Magpie Salute, which is basically his attempt with Marc Ford to do The Black Crowes without Chris is far better than what the actual Crowes came up with on their two albums. This blows away anything on Bastards. It's more Crowes than Crowes in terms of style, sound and production.
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Post by Ron Burgunfeces on Aug 19, 2024 1:50:25 GMT 1
I was lurking, so felt compelled to comment given I love this band. thefreewheeler.proboards.com/thread/28112/black-crowes-happinessMy view hasn't changed now that I have dug into it. Some good stuff, but a paint by numbers sell out album from them for the most part. It's a copy and paste album unfortunately. Nothing remotely inspiring or creative. Even Wanting And Waiting is a rewrite of Jealous Again. I give far more credit to albums like Three Snakes, Lions and Warpaint. It is overproduced as well in a generic please the masses sounding way. George Drakoulias should have produced this. Maybe he wasn't on board for Chris, Rich and a bunch of scabs outside of Sven Pipien, since the brothers fucked over Gorman and others. Even a band like AC/DC who makes the same album over and over again made something more inspiring and surprisingly great with PWR/UP over this Black Crowes album. Disappointing big time for me. This is not their version of Hackneyed Diamonds either in terms of a comeback album. The Rolling Stones killed it. The Robinson Brothers however became everything they hate on their new album if you know ANYTHING about them, their viewpoints or their history. Hi.
Did you see what I wrote in the other thread about your fake fat wife?
The NoblemanWas that the thread where we were talking about my face diaper?
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Hot Sauce
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Post by Hot Sauce on Aug 19, 2024 2:05:38 GMT 1
Thanks for proving my point about why I don't stay here to actually talk about music.
Since this was Aristocrat's thread, I wanted to see if we could actually talk about the album - even if we disagree on the quality of it, but that is just not going to happen with him or Huey. It's more important to them to troll than to maybe get along to some degree and have an interesting discussion.
I do appreciate *ech* commenting though. I KNOW he wants to talk about music much more than he is able to here.
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Post by cowpins on Aug 19, 2024 13:11:14 GMT 1
I think it sounds great. Yes, it's derivative but everything about them is derivative. There is a swing to the songs, a "rock n' roll" feel to them, that very few bands manage to capture. A bunch of cool riffs, a great voice... The inner politics don't interest me all that much... I thought it was a very well-made rock n' roll record. In this day and age, it's all you can ask of a band that's thirty-plus years removed from their debut. If you dig it, cool, I just think that had the band remained intact with Ford, Gorman, etc - they would have released a FAR better record than this. It is way too safe, generic and like I said, the epitome of everything Chris and Rich hate. They sold out, but maybe that is the point - more casual fans will eat it up. Especially those who bailed on the band years ago because they wanted the band to make Shake Your Money Maker over and over and over. Even on their previous comeback attempt album with By Your Side, Chris and Rich weren't completely on board with it, but were kind of out of moves at that point. The Rich Robinson band The Magpie Salute, which is basically his attempt with Marc Ford to do The Black Crowes without Chris is far better than what the actual Crowes came up with on their two albums. This blows away anything on Bastards. It's more Crowes than Crowes in terms of style, sound and production. Thanks for posting this, as I hadn't heard it. Rich is such an underestimated riff writer. Dude just plays. Think of how many unused riffs he has in his vault. I do wish the singer here was a little more raspy.
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Post by Aristocrat on Aug 19, 2024 14:45:28 GMT 1
Thanks for posting this, as I hadn't heard it. Rich is such an underestimated riff writer. Dude just plays. Think of how many unused riffs he has in his vault. I do wish the singer here was a little more raspy. No problem. Don't bother even to mention it.
I'm the music guy, the news guy, the fitness guy, the Crowes guy here at EE.
The Nobleman
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Hot Sauce
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Post by Hot Sauce on Aug 19, 2024 16:27:50 GMT 1
If you dig it, cool, I just think that had the band remained intact with Ford, Gorman, etc - they would have released a FAR better record than this. It is way too safe, generic and like I said, the epitome of everything Chris and Rich hate. They sold out, but maybe that is the point - more casual fans will eat it up. Especially those who bailed on the band years ago because they wanted the band to make Shake Your Money Maker over and over and over. Even on their previous comeback attempt album with By Your Side, Chris and Rich weren't completely on board with it, but were kind of out of moves at that point. The Rich Robinson band The Magpie Salute, which is basically his attempt with Marc Ford to do The Black Crowes without Chris is far better than what the actual Crowes came up with on their two albums. This blows away anything on Bastards. It's more Crowes than Crowes in terms of style, sound and production. Thanks for posting this, as I hadn't heard it. Rich is such an underestimated riff writer. Dude just plays. Think of how many unused riffs he has in his vault. I do wish the singer here was a little more raspy. No problem. Honestly this band was better than the current Crowes now. Check out their two albums - High Water 1 and II.
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Post by Aristocrat on Aug 19, 2024 16:30:49 GMT 1
Thanks for posting this, as I hadn't heard it. Rich is such an underestimated riff writer. Dude just plays. Think of how many unused riffs he has in his vault. I do wish the singer here was a little more raspy. No problem. Honestly this band was better than the current Crowes now. Check out their two albums - High Water 1 and II. Hi.
I'm the Crowes guy here at EE.
I'm the music guy, the news guy, the fitness guy, the Crowes guy, the funny guy, and the science guy.
All here at EE.
The Nobleman
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Post by *ech* on Aug 19, 2024 16:31:04 GMT 1
The Magpie Salute was OK, but they lacked a great singer. It's kind of like Black Crowes by-number. If you think Happiness Bastards is derivative (which it is, of course) then Magpie Salute is even more so. Great tunes, and obviously great guitars. But you could tell it was a place-holder until the real thing came back. It would be great to have Ford and Gorman in the band, but really it's not a deal breaker. Live Nation is funding this operation, and they did the same thing as they did with Guns: you get X amount and we need the main members. The rest of the roster is your call. Divide the money however you please. This is why Izzy took a pass. Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book.
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Post by Ron Burgunfeces on Aug 19, 2024 16:49:59 GMT 1
The Magpie Salute was OK, but they lacked a great singer. It's kind of like Black Crowes by-number. If you think Happiness Bastards is derivative (which it is, of course) then Magpie Salute is even more so. Great tunes, and obviously great guitars. But you could tell it was a place-holder until the real thing came back. It would be great to have Ford and Gorman in the band, but really it's not a deal breaker. Live Nation is funding this operation, and they did the same thing as they did with Guns: you get X amount and we need the main members. The rest of the roster is your call. Divide the money however you please. This is why Izzy took a pass. Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book. How big are your balls?
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Post by Ron Burgunfeces on Aug 19, 2024 16:51:54 GMT 1
Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book. If anyone wants to hear the narration, where he blows a gasket at the Jimmy Page story, i've recorded it and you can hear it here:
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Hot Sauce
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Post by Hot Sauce on Aug 19, 2024 17:03:44 GMT 1
The Magpie Salute was OK, but they lacked a great singer. It's kind of like Black Crowes by-number. If you think Happiness Bastards is derivative (which it is, of course) then Magpie Salute is even more so. Great tunes, and obviously great guitars. But you could tell it was a place-holder until the real thing came back. It would be great to have Ford and Gorman in the band, but really it's not a deal breaker. Live Nation is funding this operation, and they did the same thing as they did with Guns: you get X amount and we need the main members. The rest of the roster is your call. Divide the money however you please. This is why Izzy took a pass. Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book. I concede that Chris is essential, but Rich was far more creative with Magpie Salute with Ford's input as well and this is entirely lacking with the new Crowes album. The new Crowes reminds of KISS with Sonic Boom, they tried to cut and paste all the moments from the classic era to appease the Shake Your Moneymaker die hards or what would please casual fans the most. They didn't say fuck it like they usually did - we are gonna make the album we want, even if isn't remotely commercial. I liked that attitude and the musical output as well. Bastards is a surprisingly lazy album, especially when you consider what the brothers are capable of even with their own solo albums. What are your favorite BC albums - that might explain your position.
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Post by *ech* on Aug 19, 2024 17:04:19 GMT 1
The Magpie Salute was OK, but they lacked a great singer. It's kind of like Black Crowes by-number. If you think Happiness Bastards is derivative (which it is, of course) then Magpie Salute is even more so. Great tunes, and obviously great guitars. But you could tell it was a place-holder until the real thing came back. It would be great to have Ford and Gorman in the band, but really it's not a deal breaker. Live Nation is funding this operation, and they did the same thing as they did with Guns: you get X amount and we need the main members. The rest of the roster is your call. Divide the money however you please. This is why Izzy took a pass. Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book. How big are your balls? I'm not sure that is relevant, but they are average I'd say. One slightly more than the other, however.
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Post by Aristocrat on Aug 19, 2024 17:08:32 GMT 1
The Magpie Salute was OK, but they lacked a great singer. It's kind of like Black Crowes by-number. If you think Happiness Bastards is derivative (which it is, of course) then Magpie Salute is even more so. Great tunes, and obviously great guitars. But you could tell it was a place-holder until the real thing came back. It would be great to have Ford and Gorman in the band, but really it's not a deal breaker. Live Nation is funding this operation, and they did the same thing as they did with Guns: you get X amount and we need the main members. The rest of the roster is your call. Divide the money however you please. This is why Izzy took a pass. Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book. I concede that Chris is essential, but Rich was far more creative with Magpie Salute with Ford's input as well and this is entirely lacking with the new Crowes album. The new Crowes reminds of KISS with Sonic Boom, they tried to cut and paste all the moments from the classic era to appease the Shake Your Moneymaker die hards or what would most please casual fans the most. They didn't say fuck it like they usually did - we are gonna make the album we want, even if isn't remotely commercial. What are your favorite Crowes albums - that might explain your position. Hi.
Me?
Yes, I too agree Chris is essential. He's the frontman of the Crowes.
My favorite Crowes album is Happiness Bastards. It's also my least favorite, as it's the only one I've really listened to.
OB?
This guy?
I'm the Crowes guy here at EE.
I'm the music guy, the news guy, the fitness guy, the Crowes guy, the funny guy, and the science guy.
All here at EE.
The Nobleman
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Post by *ech* on Aug 19, 2024 17:09:38 GMT 1
The Magpie Salute was OK, but they lacked a great singer. It's kind of like Black Crowes by-number. If you think Happiness Bastards is derivative (which it is, of course) then Magpie Salute is even more so. Great tunes, and obviously great guitars. But you could tell it was a place-holder until the real thing came back. It would be great to have Ford and Gorman in the band, but really it's not a deal breaker. Live Nation is funding this operation, and they did the same thing as they did with Guns: you get X amount and we need the main members. The rest of the roster is your call. Divide the money however you please. This is why Izzy took a pass. Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book. I concede that Chris is essential, but Rich was far more creative with Magpie Salute with Ford's input as well and this is entirely lacking with the new Crowes album. The new Crowes reminds of KISS with Sonic Boom, they tried to cut and paste all the moments from the classic era to appease the Shake Your Moneymaker die hards or what would most please casual fans the most. They didn't say fuck it like they usually did - we are gonna make the album we want, even if isn't remotely commercial. What are your favorite Crowes albums - that might explain your position. I like them all to varying degrees. It depends on the mood, really. Of course the first two are stone-cold classics, and I listen to them like I would listen to Sticky Fingers or Who's Next. But recently I've been playing the shit out of Lions. Songs are not that memorable, but they play like motherfuckers. It's intense. But on the flip side I also enjoy the Americana feel of Before the Frost... Until the Freeze, which of course is the direction Chris would take in his solo ventures. Warpaint is the only one I can't really get into, and I can't explain it. It's not bad, it just does nothing for me.
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Post by DemonFilth2001 (VP Recruiting) on Aug 19, 2024 17:40:37 GMT 1
The Magpie Salute was OK, but they lacked a great singer. It's kind of like Black Crowes by-number. If you think Happiness Bastards is derivative (which it is, of course) then Magpie Salute is even more so. Great tunes, and obviously great guitars. But you could tell it was a place-holder until the real thing came back. It would be great to have Ford and Gorman in the band, but really it's not a deal breaker. Live Nation is funding this operation, and they did the same thing as they did with Guns: you get X amount and we need the main members. The rest of the roster is your call. Divide the money however you please. This is why Izzy took a pass. Gorman wasn't even asked, he burned that bridge when he released his excellent book. I concede that Chris is essential, but Rich was far more creative with Magpie Salute with Ford's input as well and this is entirely lacking with the new Crowes album. The new Crowes reminds of KISS with Sonic Boom, they tried to cut and paste all the moments from the classic era to appease the Shake Your Moneymaker die hards or what would please casual fans the most. They didn't say fuck it like they usually did - we are gonna make the album we want, even if isn't remotely commercial. I liked that attitude and the musical output as well. Bastards is a surprisingly lazy album, especially when you consider what the brothers are capable of even with their own solo albums. What are your favorite BC albums - that might explain your position. Very much a “hits only” band. First two releases were damn good. Amorica wasn’t good. At all. Then they became unlistenable. Similar to Quiet Riot, I guess. Sister bands?
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