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Post by vinceneilgiraldo on Sept 19, 2022 7:21:29 GMT 1
I admit I'm stuck in the past. And it does amaze me the crowds the bands we grew up with draw. I remember how badly the stock for some of these groups dropped during the grunge era. So it has to be rewarding for them to be getting the last laugh.
The classic tracks are exactly that - classics; and they are largely what draws the huge crowds and massive gate revenues. The state of modern rock is debated endlessly - so perhaps it's good these groups are still releasing music.
But - I've watched recent clips of Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Scorpions. They have the obligatory overly dramatic opening, the curtain drops and they appear to their thousands of adoring fans - playing a song almost no one knows, and almost no one came to hear. Watching at home, all were major buzzkills.
I get it - if they stick the new material in the middle of the set, it's an instant beer run or bathroom break. But I'm not a fan of opening shows with songs that were they dropped, they wouldn't be missed.
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Post by suckit on Sept 19, 2022 8:09:27 GMT 1
Agree. A show isn't about force-feeding your audience your latest tripe, it's about pacing and giving your fans a quality entertainment experience.
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Post by *ech* on Sept 19, 2022 8:17:57 GMT 1
Counter point: opening with your current single is a proven MO. Sure, it helps when that single is a hit and these bands haven't had one in a long time. But AC/DC has been doing that for several decades and it works. If the song is strong, it won't matter if it's recent or a "classic".
I'm much more annoyed by the video intros all bands have. It used to be only stadium and arena bands, but now it's at club level too. Sometimes they're clever (AC/DC again) or heartfelt (the Stones opening with a montage of Charlie Watts) but most of the times they're goofy and stupid and self-aggradizing (Sabbath, Aerosmith...)
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Post by psychobolia on Sept 19, 2022 12:42:33 GMT 1
It's marketing strategy...Maiden fans know that they're opening the show with 3 Senshitsoup songs in a row...gives them an extra 20 minutes to buy tshirts at the merch stands before they go in to hear the good shit.
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Post by Ron Burgunfeces on Sept 19, 2022 15:46:03 GMT 1
Counter point: opening with your current single is a proven MO. Sure, it helps when that single is a hit and these bands haven't had one in a long time. But AC/DC has been doing that for several decades and it works. If the song is strong, it won't matter if it's recent or a "classic". I'm much more annoyed by the video intros all bands have. It used to be only stadium and arena bands, but now it's at club level too. Sometimes they're clever (AC/DC again) or heartfelt (the Stones opening with a montage of Charlie Watts) but most of the times they're goofy and stupid and self-aggradizing (Sabbath, Aerosmith...) THE FUTURE IS ÖURS! |
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Post by vinceneilgiraldo on Sept 20, 2022 4:27:48 GMT 1
I get the counter points, but just feel the current rock landscape is so different from the past. Tours used to be done to sell albums, so it made sense to open with a new record's leadoff track and play more new cuts.
Nowadays fans can freely stream the new material, and even so, most don't.
The Stadium Tour sold incredible numbers before being put on hold by the pandemic. Just before the tour finally starts, Def Leppard release Diamond Star Halos, and proceed to open with a new song and play others. Do they look out in the packed stadiums and think "Hey, the Diamond Star Halos" tour is doing great?
The Scorpions are in American arenas for the first time in maybe 30 years. Their set has 4 songs off their new Rock Believer album, which is more than any other album, including the opener.
The Rock Believer tour?
As for Maiden, at least they're consistent. I recall them playing A Matter of Life or Death in its entirety, to mixed reviews at best.
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Post by Mikky 5einfeld on Sept 20, 2022 7:10:09 GMT 1
I think it's fine.
I remember feeling cool for being the only one who knew the non-hit songs from whoever in the nineties, even.
You put out a new product, you kinda wanna sell it.
Just wanna see Maiden et al in their heyday kicking the shit outta the classics, go find an old DVD or go hunting on the U toob. Dummy.
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Post by *ech* on Sept 20, 2022 7:44:16 GMT 1
If a band has a new album out, you have to expect at least 3 or 4 songs off of that album in the show. Some add even more.
It sounds like you're arguing that old bands should just not bother with releasing or playing new songs... That is asinine. Some of us like music, and like it when bands release and play music. This is their reason for existing. I love hearing the classics as much as the next guy but if the current album is good, I'm happy to hear the new stuff, even for so-called "legacy" bands. Are they just supposed to tour for the remainder of their days with the same setlist, the same act, the same backdrops and the same stage banter to cater to some misplaced nostalgia? The only band that should do that is KISS.
I think Maiden has a great system, alternating nostalgia tours and playing the new stuff. But not everyone can pull that off. U2 can. McCartney and the Stones sure couldn't... Guns N' Roses found the happy medium at the beginning of the reunion, but now it's been almost seven years of the same shit... It's a delicate balance, and the tipping point is different from one band to the next.
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